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Re: Threshold of increasing/decreasing tones
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- Subject: Re: Threshold of increasing/decreasing tones
- From: Wolfgang Ellermeier <we@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:19:58 +0100
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Dear Stefan Kerber,
while John Neuhoff's response points to true perceptual effects in
SUPRATHRESHOLD rising and falling levels, you might also want to
consider simple RESPONSE BIASES. Already in 19th century psychophysics,
you find discussions of "habituation effects" and "anticipation effects"
biasing threshold measurements like the one you are using. There is a
risk that you will never know, in any given subject, what mix of these
effects will occur, in some circumstances favouring your 'ascending', in
others your 'descending' runs (as you seem to imply is the case with
your data).
The standard methodological way out of this dilemma has been to use
'unbiased', or 'criterion-free' forced-choice (adaptive) procedures, as
described in Levitt (1971). Of course, they require short tone bursts,
rather than the continuous tones used in your paradigm.
A discussion of the pros and cons of the 'classical' threshold
procedures (like the method of limits that you are using) can be found
in the methods chapter of our (German, sorry list!) textbook on hearing
[Hellbr\"uck, J. & Ellermeier, W. (2004). //
<http://www.hogrefe.de/buch/isbn/3-8017-1475-6.html>H\"oren.
Physiologie, Psychologie - Pathologie. G\"ottingen: Hogrefe.] .
Hope, these hints are helpful,
Regards,
Wolfgang Ellermeier
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